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In Defense of the Love-Cook.

I wrote this rantish thing for [info]hated_character, but I thought I'd post it over here, as it is relevant. This is my impromptu essay supporting Sanji.

I was plumbing the depths of the pit this weekend looking for badfic, and I found quite a gem. My snark review plus a link to the fic itself can be found at [info]cipher_poll_10(shameless plug), Here. Of course this fic has many things wrong with it, but the thing I'm seeing over and over again, and really can't stand, is the Sanji-bashing of one flavor or another that seems to be rampant throughout the OP ficdom.

Spoilers ahead, probably. I officially recognize Manga Canon and to a lesser extent Anime Canon to the exclusion of Movie Canon.



Sanji can't seem to catch a break. Whether it's a het fic where the author openly admits she finds him pathetic, and treats him accordingly, or it's a yaoi fic wherein the author claims to like Sanji, but still manages to gut his personality.

OOC-Het!Sanji is a rather two dimensional character. He thinks of nothing except fawning over Nami in a patently pathetic manner, he has the mentality of a third grader, especially when it's time to have an argument with someone (usually Zoro), is surprisingly weak physically and will loose consciousness over very slight physical assaults, is surprisingly weak emotionally, and will bawl over a bad situation if push comes to shove.

OOC-Yaoi!Sanji is slightly less two dimensional, since he is usually one of the main players in the stories he appears in. He is almost without exception cast in the role of uke (ok, so I've never seen this exception, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt), no matter whom he's paired with, even his ever ukelicious captain. He is generally meek, emotional, and physically weak. He generally has some sort of angst or trauma that must be resolved with hot sticky boysex (extra points for fangirl if angst or trauma has something to do with his left eye).

Neither of these iterations, of course bear anything but a passing resemblance to IC!Sanji.

Now to deal with these common abuses of his character:

Lovesick!Sanji
It is a popular to be of the opinion that Sanji's over-evident affection for Nami is "pathetic", it seems. He is often portrayed as following her around like a lovesick puppy, in the most dorkish of manners. I personally don't believe Sanji's one-frame crying spells worrying about Nami should be taken as deep character revelations anymore than Luffy crying over lack of food or shiny object. While catering to Nami-san is certainly a major pastime for Canon!Sanji, it is another big mistake to assume that this is merely some desperate outlet for an unchecked libido. No doubt Sanji loves the ladies, but there is a wellspring of canon evidence that he genuinely cares for Nami beyond wanting to get her in the sack.

Let us start with Little Garden. Sanji gives Nami his jacket when she has had her shirt burnt off by the destruction of Mr. 3's Candle Service Set. Later, when she falls ill, he at one point picks up her bed when the ship is rocking, even though she's most likely not lucid enough to even remember. When they are rushing her to the top of the Drum Mountains to see Doctorine, Sanji makes sure Luffy knows that "The most important thing is Nami! The second most important thing is Nami! The third most important..." , and Saves Luffy (whom is carrying the sick Nami on his back), from the avalanche at the expense of drastic injury to himself. There are other instances as well, during the Skypiea arc, for instance, especially in the scene on the airship towards the end.

Pushover!Sanji
I suppose I can grant that Sanji is not portrayed in canon as being as hardcore as Zoro, after all, he never sliced his side open to give someone a level playing field, but there is hardly any evidence that Sanji is as much of a wimp as he is typically portrayed as. Fangirls, I call for a moratorium on knocking Sanji out cold in your fic, unless he's been run over by a fricking mountain, or fried with umpteen zillion volts of electricity. Yes, fangirls, even if Zoro punches him. I don't think Zoro would have such an easy time defeating Sanji as is usually assumed. There's a distinctly non-negligible chance that Sanji would win, and at any rate it would be a close fight. And while it's true that Sanji doesn't have a bounty as of yet, the bounty thing involves a greater factor for opportunity than people seem to want to recognize. I'm confidant that by the time the Enias Lobby bit plays out, Sanji will have a bounty on his head. Even a cursory examination of Sanji in action during One Piece will tell you he is not to be trifled with. In summary for this section, Sanji kicks ass, and Zoro is not God.

Crybaby!Sanji
One of the things about One Piece is that everyone is allowed to cry, even the men. But none of the characters cash in this ability unless something drastic happens. Fic authors need to learn to tell the difference between Sanji crying from being snubbed for one frame, Nami crying about not getting money, or Luffy crying about not having meat or some shiny object, and Sanji crying when he thanks Zeff before setting off with the crew, Nami crying after being betrayed by Arlong, and Luffy crying after the fight with Usopp in Water seven. If you can't honestly judge the difference between those scenes, and what they mean for the character's personality, PLEASE stop writing fic in my fandom.

Uke!Sanji
What. The. Frick. This drives me crazy. First of all, I can't for the life of me figure out why we even need the Seme/Uke convention. Does it ever occur to the authors of these fics, that maybe it wouldn't be the same as het anyway, so why try to force it? Does it ever occur to them that even het shouldn't be set up so rigidly dom/sub all the time? Perhaps it's because Zoro is so ZOMG!Hardcore, that Sanji unfailingly gets the short end of the personality stick in Yaoi fics with the two of them. What I can't figure out is how he manages to land himself as the Uke even when paired with Luffy, whom is invariable portrayed in doujin as a twelve-year-old girl with a dick. Sanji is hardly feminine at all. He is not meek, he is not shy, and he will kick your ass. Just because he wears dressier(but still masculine) clothing, cooks, and unlike Zoro, he appears to bathe, does not seem to be enough reason to explain the testosterone-ectomy he gets in Yaoi Fic. Beyond that, I'm unsure of how to respond to this. Just watch the show/read the manga, and you'll see that Uke!Sanji doesn't make any appearances.



This has been a public service announcement from the Sanji Defense Association.



X-posted, from [info]hated_character

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[info]ashchan

October 9 2005, 20:44:36 UTC 6 years ago

wtf how can anyone hate sanji?

[info]the_calzone

October 10 2005, 03:06:15 UTC 6 years ago

Yeah, that's exactly what I said x_o; People....dislike him?

[info]ginnyseta

October 9 2005, 20:50:12 UTC 6 years ago

Thankfully, I don't think too many people hate Sanji...but yeah, it's sad to see how people treat him in badfic. Ugh.

[info]cactuar_tamer

October 9 2005, 20:53:36 UTC 6 years ago

Heh, maybe they don't hate him in the same way they hate Kikyou, but I still feel he suffers from lack of respect. (and yes, the badfic hurts! It burns us, precioussss!)

[info]ginnyseta

October 9 2005, 21:01:05 UTC 6 years ago

Might I also add that he is one of the most abused characters within roleplaying. Several times I've tried to roleplay with people playing Sanji, they've had him do EXTREMELY out of character things - like slit his wrists because Nami doesn't want him...or get ANGRY at Nami for not OMGfallinginLURVE! with him. It's so ridiculous...Why can't RPers and fic writers get his character straight already? ;-; (Or if not straight...at least right! ^_~)

[info]popful

October 9 2005, 21:21:07 UTC 6 years ago

To be fair, if it's the Sanji I'm thinking of on that wrists thing.. that Sanji was way over the top. o.o

Heh, every RP I've been in, it's usually Usopp taking the abuse <.< >.>

[info]ginnyseta

6 years ago

[info]popful

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[info]ginnyseta

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[info]popful

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[info]xparrot

October 9 2005, 21:02:11 UTC 6 years ago

*blinks* Sanji gets hated on? Wow, I'm glad I haven't been around ff.net lately. I've always been under the impression that Sanji is one of the most favorite characters. Usopp, now, gets much totally undeserved dissing. Though Sanji does get abuse from some of his fangirls, true. And Uke!Sanji can get annoying. Though really to write yaoi (or most het, for that matter) with the OP crew requires a fair bit of character distortion. They're just not cut out for the romancing! I don't think Sanji gets it particularly worse than Zoro or Luffy (ukefying Luffy scares me even more than ukefying Sanji, honestly. He can beat up damn near anyone in the world and he's cried in canon *once* since he was seven. Not really uke material, even if he is short.) I have seen dj and fic with Sanji topping Luffy - and Zoro, though that is pretty rare. And he usually is seme with Usopp. But otherwise, yeah. I think it's being the prettiest. Really if Sanji were in any other series but OP he'd be seme...

And Sanji definitely cares for Nami beyond the urge to get laid - but he cares for all women such! He's all about the chivalry. His insane loyalty to Robin in the present Water 7 is not about the sex, nor was his helping Vivi ("I'm on the side of the LADIES!") Or getting mad at Zoro for challenging Tashigi, or for that matter protecting Doctorine on Drum Island... And really he's deeply loyalty to all his nakama - he's just more, mmm, expressive about it with the female ones. ^_^

In conclusion - ff.net scares me! but they can never take canon!Sanji from us! *hugs her manga*

[info]ashchan

October 9 2005, 21:04:31 UTC 6 years ago

^ That's what I thought.

[info]ginnyseta

October 9 2005, 21:28:31 UTC 6 years ago

I think it IS possible to write 'romance' (or something beyond friendship, I don't know if you'd even call it romance) with the crew - but it has to be done very carefully, with total respect for the characters, their personal goals, and the crew as a whole.

Unfortunately, very few people can do this...and it's usually the ones that can'r flooding ff.net with their crap. It makes me sad >.< I've been staying away from there recently myself.

[info]xparrot

October 10 2005, 00:08:48 UTC 6 years ago

The problem with writing pairings in OP - and a lot of shounen, really - is that it's so nonexistent in the canon that you have to extrapolate quite a bit to get it going at all. Such as there's no canonical evidence that Zoro has a sex drive at all. ^^;;; It's possible to do, but I sort of think it all counts as AU (the same way nearly all slash is AU, because there's very few chars canonically gay/bi. This isn't a criticism so much as just the nature of the beast. doesn't mean there can't be damn good stories, though, with writers who know what they're doing ^^)

[info]ginnyseta

October 10 2005, 00:23:54 UTC 6 years ago

Ha, with the exception of Sanji, and possibly Nami at times, there's not much evidence that any of them have sex drives! (Although it's especially true in Zoro's case, and probably Luffy's as well) I just tend to look at it as Oda's never really addressed the issue either way, since it's not a necessary part of his story. It's kind of like how Toriyama's Goku shows little to no evidence of having a sex drive...yet, he got married and had three kids. So I don't necessarily see stories that involve sex or pairings as automatic AU (although many can be), so much as interpretation of something Oda has chosen not to go into.

Don't get me wrong, though...I do totally understand, and agree with everything you're saying - I just see that one piece of the puzzle a little differently. (I said one piece XD!)

[info]xparrot

October 10 2005, 00:33:56 UTC 6 years ago

Well, Luffy at least went to go look at Vivi & Nami in the baths and got a nosebleed, Zoro didn't even join them in that ^__^ ("Shiawase Punch!" is still is one of my favorite moments in the whole series, it's just such the best reaction of a girl to that situation. I love Nami's self-awareness of her sexuality. [/Nami fangirling])

And, yeah, it's true that it's not necessarily making anything up, just going unexplored places. Though given that Oda-sensei I believe has said none of the nakama are going to hook up... but don't get me wrong, it's not like I haven't written my share of OP pairings myself. and really all fic is a departure from canon anyway - obviously, since none of we fans are Odacchi himself! ^^

[info]ginnyseta

6 years ago

[info]selphish

October 9 2005, 21:48:29 UTC 6 years ago

You said it!

[info]cactuar_tamer

October 9 2005, 21:52:41 UTC 6 years ago

I agree with you about Usopp, he gets way too much undeserved flak; (Go SogeKing!)... but I seem to run into a lot of fics with the kind of Sanji-disrespect I was talking about. (and uke!Luffy scares me, too) *hugs manga for dear life*

Though do agree with ginnyseta that it is possible albeit difficult to write 'romance' for the OP fandom.

[info]xparrot

October 10 2005, 00:17:56 UTC 6 years ago

Poor Usopp - though he has his fangirls *waves SogeKing flag* and really, as far as the homely boys goes, he has it better than some. But I have read more than a few fic that randomly bash him on the side for no reason, always makes me sad >_>

But, yes, I have no problem believing you've run into Sanji-bashing as well as poor writing...fangirls can be a worrisome species!

And the romance - yeah, some of that's the bias of a gen fangirl. Really I didn't mean that pairing fic can't be done, so much as given what OP is, you pretty much have to stray from canon to do it. A good writer can manage it, but...it ain't easy!

[info]candybouquet

October 9 2005, 23:50:09 UTC 6 years ago

And Sanji definitely cares for Nami beyond the urge to get laid - but he cares for all women such! He's all about the chivalry. His insane loyalty to Robin in the present Water 7 is not about the sex, nor was his helping Vivi ("I'm on the side of the LADIES!") Or getting mad at Zoro for challenging Tashigi, or for that matter protecting Doctorine on Drum Island... And really he's deeply loyalty to all his nakama - he's just more, mmm, expressive about it with the female ones. ^_^

YOU ROCK MY WORLD! And so true! *Franky THUMBS UP!*

[info]semisphere

October 9 2005, 21:26:35 UTC 6 years ago

I suppose it's an fanon thing - Sanji's a suave, charming character, so like any other suave/charming characters, that automatically means that he's a scrawny, emotional girl. Sadly, this kind of stereotyping is rampant in other fandoms as well.

[info]spanish_apple

October 9 2005, 21:48:10 UTC 6 years ago

Dude, those words of wisdom makes me want to have your internet babies...LONG LIVE CANON!SANJI!

[info]paxnirvana

October 9 2005, 22:51:58 UTC 6 years ago

*weeps helplessly* That you even have to write this kind of lovely, lucid defense makes my brain implode. People who hate Sanji are blind. Blind I say! *waves fist*

For god's sake the man will feed a starving enemy and THEN try to kill him. O_o; How cool is that? And he and Zoro fight BACK TO BACK. Who else does Zoro do that with, eh? NO ONE.

And uke!Luffy is a 12-year-old girl with a dick. And that's just so wrong I can't ever wrap my brain around it. So I don't.

[info]bloodfoot

October 10 2005, 01:45:20 UTC 6 years ago

I don't understand how someone can "hate" a fictional character. I do understand how someone could lack the imagination or empathy or reading comprehension that they only know how to write a character as if one over-exagerated facet defined the whole, though.

That said: subvert the dominant paradigm! Write good fiction that does not warp characters beyond recognition. Or ignores characters based on shallow and petty reasons such as not being pretty or obnoxiously powerful. Or acts like there are only two pairs of characters worth slashing using the same six or seven ideas.

(I am well aware that the correct response to the last bit is "then write something yourself," but this leads me to another thought...)

Tangent: Who else doesn't write (or show their fic to others) because they know that they could never do it right? Personally, I've written 24 drabbles so far, and only only one has ever been read by other people. And after an hour, I realized that it was a bigger piece of crap than I had previously thought. It is so hard when you're so hard on yourself. ;__; This also explains why I lurk just about everywhere I go -- I have nothing to share, and therefore see myself as excess baggage.

[info]pinksaltines

October 10 2005, 03:48:32 UTC 6 years ago

testosterone-ectomy

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! =XD

This is why I generally don't read fanfiction, as 99 per cent of it really is t3h suck and makes me weep. T_T

Anyoen who thinks Sanji is physically week can't have watched too much of the manga or watched much of the anime. even watching the 4Kids version shows you how much ass Sanji kicks.

Who doesn't love a man who can cook? ;9

[info]ciaran_gabriel

October 10 2005, 06:51:45 UTC 6 years ago

Wow, I didn't know there was Sanji hate. I can imagine that there would be more of it than Zoro, of course, everone's favorite stoic "manly-man".
I think all the characters must get some flak from one source or another, and they're all victims of being written OOC.

Usopp still gets the worst of it though. :P I'll go through pages of Usopp bashing and utter misunderstandings of his character before I'll see just one negative Sanji comment.
And I am STILL looking to see if there's any non-uke yaoi Usopp stuff out there. I don't think it exists. XD He's pretty much ignored for anything else.

[info]ignitible

October 11 2005, 23:01:59 UTC 6 years ago

Yes, I don't think any non-uke yaoi for Usopp exists. I've looked too. He's either mainly paired with Sanji (Usopp obviously the uke) or Kaya (I've even read one where he's with Zoro O.O), or otherwise it's like he's a filler. It's pretty sad, because Usopp needs so much more love... *sighs*

Oh, and your icon is love.

[info]ignitible

October 11 2005, 22:57:51 UTC 6 years ago

People hate Sanji... Wow. First time I've heard that one.

And I totally agree on the Uke!Sanji. I think it's because everyone sees the tension between Sanji and Zoro in the manga and go "AH! TIS SEXUAL FRUSTRATION!". And having a Uke!Zoro sounds more odd than having Uke!Sanji, so our favorite blonde cook gets stuck on the bottom. I have nothing against yaoi (hell, I write yaoi!), but it'd be nice if some people realized characters aren't set ukes or semes or whatever. And I'm sure Oda-sensei never meant for any of his characters to be paired like that... even if it can becoming addicting... >.>

What surprises me more is people believe Sanji's a pushover. The guy will shove his foot up your ass in a heartbeat. This is the guy who kicks Luffy on a regular basis for eating all the food in the kitchen. How the hell can they think he's a pushover? *can't comprehend*

Meh, to each his own...

Anonymous

June 22 2010, 13:55:55 UTC 1 year ago

I'm sorry.. if this has nothing to do with any of this... but WOW... I can't believe people actually hate Sanji.. just Wow... but i mean there are people out there that do... ==" .. but I actually like the idea of Uke Zoro... There are acutally quite cute ones out there that involve ukefied zoros with seme Luffyc or Sanji and they're really cute!!!!! But i mean.. to me.. Snaji is seme FTW.. so yes... Zoro for me is uke [I'm sorry for whoever doesn't agree with me.. just my opinion...]
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